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Old 10-17-2008, 10:24 AM
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Doc replaces PE tube which was occluded with debris and also effusion in middle ear space. My dx sequencing is 1) 996.79 2) 381.4. Doc has problem with 996.79 because it is a complication code and only wants to use 381.4. 996.79 has not been added to his clinic's billing system. Will have meeting with doc but wanted to find out what anyone else thinks.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:53 PM
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if he is taking one out and replacing it with another, I would consider dx code 385.83 as a 2nd diagnosis.

Because the removal of the PE tube (69424) bundles into the replacement (69436), I would use the 381.5 as primary dx and 385.83 as 2nd.

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Old 11-11-2008, 06:39 PM
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385.83 is retained foreign body, tubes are not foreign bodies - a surgeon puts them in for a reason. A foreign body is something that is not supposed to be there, like a bead or seed, etc. If anybody would code the same as I did, please let me know.
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If the replacement of the tube was due to failure of the first surgery, then I would use the complication code; in other words I agree with your coding.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:45 AM
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I agree with your coding if there "was" a complication. However if there is not a complication, then I would use the 385.83.

I disagree, a tube is a retained foreign body. I know the surgeon puts them there for a reason. If you check the cross coder (which I have included in this post) for diagnosis for removal of PE tubes, you will find the diagnosis 385.83 I dont think that CPT would have put that diagnosis in the cross coder if it did not apply.

Cross Coder - 69424


ICD-9-CM VOL 1 CODES
ICD-9-CM VOL 3 CODES
HCPCS CODES
ANESTHESIA CODES




Code Description
381.10 Simple or unspecified chronic serous otitis media
381.20 Simple or unspecified chronic mucoid otitis media
381.29 Other chronic mucoid otitis media
381.3 Other and unspecified chronic nonsuppurative otitis media
381.4 Nonsuppurative otitis media, not specified as acute or chronic
381.81 Dysfunction of Eustachian tube
382.00 Acute suppurative otitis media without spontaneous rupture of eardrum
382.1 Chronic tubotympanic suppurative otitis media
382.2 Chronic atticoantral suppurative otitis media
385.83 Retained foreign body of middle ear
388.60 Unspecified otorrhea
388.71 Otogenic pain
996.69 Infection and inflammatory reaction due to other internal prosthetic device, implant, and graft
996.79 Other complications due to other internal prosthetic device, implant, and graft
V53.09 Fitting and adjustment of other devices related to nervous system and special senses
V58.49 Other specified aftercare following surgery
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Old 11-13-2008, 01:46 PM
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You may be right about foreign body, but I was going by an "Otolaryngology Coding Alert Index No. 12942" put out by The Coding Institute and quoting The American Academy of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery. Surgical Cross Coder is put out by INGENIX as a reference tool and I do use them, but as always we have to be careful in using them correctly

My original question was referring to a replacement of tube due to occlusion of the tube with debris and effusion.

Thanks for your input.
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It specifically said in the documentation I am coding removal of a foreign body and retained PE tubes..I was going to use 3829 and 38583
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