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  1. #1
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    Apr 2007

    Question Double-dipping

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    Can you use the same statement for CC and HPI? For example:

    HPI: Pt. here for pain in shoulder

    CC = Pain in shoulder
    HPI Location = shoulder

    Thank you!!

  2. #2


    Hey Jen!

    I read it as the CC is Pain
    and the location is shoulder ...

    Hope this helps!

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Greeley, Colorado


    Only if the provider documented that statement, not the ancillary staff.
    Lisa Bledsoe, CPC, CPMA

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2007


    Thank you both!
    The physician documented this portion of the note. Is there any supporting documentation that you have to back this up?
    I have been trying to find something that states this. Maybe I should just assume because it's not stated anywhere, that it is ok?!?

    Also, if the CC was stated by ancillary staff, then it is ok to count it for the CC?

    Thanks again.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2007


    There is a lot of debate on the chief complaint issue.

    Per WPSMedicare (which they state is per CMS) the chief complaint can be obtained by ancillary staff as long as it is supported by the provider in the documentation.


    I fully agree with this but some Medicare carriers do not so you will need to check with your local carrier.

    I agree on the break down for pain as your chief complaint and shoulder as your location. I don't think you will be able to find what you are looking for in writing though. You just have to go by the guidelines and be sure you can defend your position.

    Laura, CPC
    Last edited by LLovett; 07-17-2009 at 01:14 PM.

  6. #6
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    Apr 2007
    Boston, MA


    The CC must be stated by the provider, as does the HPI. I agree with:
    CC = Pain
    HPI-location = shoulder
    The only thing allowed to be documented by others are ROS and PFSH, but this must be reviewed/verified by the provider as well.
    Karolina, CPC, CPMA, CEMC

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