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    Question Hospitalist Admit/Discharge Elective Surgical Pt

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    Currently I work for a hospitalist group. this group has started to admit to inpatient and discharge Elective Surgical patients.
    our questions are;
    can they admit and discharge an elective surgical pt, what about the global period,
    what about the dx - shouldn’t the dx be for comorbidities and not surgical dx,
    can the dx be coded in a different order than documented or must we use the order documented by the physician even if that is not why they are seeing the pt.

    I have copied in a sample admit and discharge of what we are seeing.

    Your help is greatly appreciated.

    HISTORY OF PRESENT ILLNESS: The patient is a gentleman with
    prior history of an MVA , which resulted in a fracture of the
    shoulder and shoulder instability. He had also had trouble with chronic
    infections for which he is on suppressive therapy. The patient is here
    today for elective shoulder therapy after a month of delays. He has had
    trouble with nerve conduction problems but the most recent testing at
    Ortho Dr office shows that he is recovering the function in his fingers.

    The patient is seen in PAC-Unit today at the request of ortho Dr for
    admission. The patient had surgery uneventfully. His present complains
    are only throat soreness and some aching in the shoulder. He is still a
    bit lethargic and has slurring of the speech. His mouth feels dry. But
    otherwise he is alert, oriented and coherent. He is in no distress.

    REVIEW OF SYSTEMS: Preoperatively the patient had issues with his chronic
    shoulder pain and difficulty moving the shoulders. He has history of
    fibromyalgia with chronic aches and pains. All other systems have been
    reviewed and found to be otherwise negative.

    1. MVA
    2. Glaucoma in the right eye.
    4. Fibromyalgia

    ALLERGIES: Seasonal only known to medications.


    FAMILY HISTORY: His parents are alive, in good health

    SOCIAL HISTORY: The patient does not smoke, drink or use any drugs.

    PHYSICAL EXAMINATION: VITAL SIGNS: Blood pressure 136/76, respirations
    14, saturation 96% on room air, temperature 36.6, and heart rate 67 with
    regular sinus on the telemetry.
    GENERAL: The patient is a pleasant middle-aged gentleman sleepy and slurry
    but appropriate and in no acute distress.
    HEENT: PERRLA, EOMI, conjunctiva pink and moist.
    NECK: Supple. No lymphadenopathy. Some tenderness anteriorly when
    examined. No stridor.
    CHEST: Clear to auscultation with good air bilaterally.
    CARDIOVASCULAR EXAM: Regular rhythmic rate, S1 and S2, no murmurs and no
    ABDOMEN: Slightly air distended, soft, nontender. Normal bowel sounds.
    LOWER EXTREMITIES: Without cyanosis, clubbing or edema. Left compressions.
    Able to wiggle toes. Good capillary refill. No calf pain. Right shoulder
    is in a sling with a bulky bandage over his shoulder. He has had surgery.
    There is no blood oozing. No redness.
    NEURO EXAM: Appropriate for this stage. The patient is still slightly
    slurry and sleepy postop. Able to wiggle all extremities, and cranial
    nerves appear intact.

    LABS: Preoperative labs have been reviewed in the chart. The chemistry
    shows a glucose of 112, BUN of 17, creatinine of 0.75. Remainder of the
    complete chemistry panel including LFTs is normal. CBC also completely
    normal with preop hemoglobin of 14.5, WBC 7.5, platelets 273.

    No EKG done in this surgery.

    1. Chronic shoulder instability with failure to multiple surgeries status
    post total shoulder arthroplasty so here for elective shoulder
    2. Chronic nerve damage to shoulder.
    3. Prior infections to shoulder, on suppressive therapy.
    4. Fibromyalgia.
    5. Glaucoma.

    1. Surgery has been performed by ortho who will be in charge of
    ordering activity, diet tolerance, postoperative care, wound care, and
    pain medications. Those orders have been reviewed and are in the
    2. Continue with his chronic suppressive doxycycline for infection. He
    also has received preoperative antibiotics.
    3. Continue with his fibromyalgia medication.
    4. Continue with glaucoma medications.
    5. Lozenges for sore throat.

    We will continue to follow up with this patient. We anticipate the patient
    may have no needs prior to discharge, although this will need further
    assessment when he is more awake and moving around.

    1. Right shoulder recurrent anterior subluxation.
    2. Status post repair of anterior capsule, right shoulder.
    3. Fibromyalgia.
    4. Glaucoma.
    5. Chronic methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus infection of the
    CONSULTANTS: orthopedics

    HOSPITALIZATION: The patient was admitted on .... For the details of the admission please see the H P. The
    patient is a very pleasant male with past medical history
    of motor vehicle accident resulting in a fracture of the right
    shoulder and stability. The patient had also a chronic infection in that
    shoulder. He is on suppressive therapy with meds. The patient was admitted to the hospital. He had repair of the anterior capsule of the right shoulder done
    He did well postop. Today he was eager to go home. He was eating well and
    he was doing well overall. He went home with the following medications and
    1. Follow up with ortho per his instructions.
    2. The patient is going to continue medications as before which are...
    The patient will return to the hospital if not well.

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    Milwaukee WI

    Default Why isn't the Ortho surgeon doing this work?

    Sounds like the ortho surgeon is getting the hospitalist to do his/her work for him/her.

    Routine admission and postoperative care (including discharge) are factored into the RVUs of the procedure performed and are not separately payable, as the surgeon has been reimbursed for this already.

    However, now you have a completely different physician doing this work ... a physician who, coincidentally, is NOT covered under the global period.

    BUT ...where is the medical necessity for the hospitalist's involvement?

    The surgeon should be doing this. S/he is getting paid for it, after all.

    Just my humble opinion.

    F Tessa Bartels, CPC, CEMC

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    this is exactly how we felt but we were told that the hospitalist would only be caring for the comorbidities.

    how do you feel about not coding in the order given?

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    Apr 2007


    I am having the same challenges with ortho surgeons. They want the hospitalists to see the patient in pre-surg holding for a pre-op consult, but the surgeon has already done a pre-op exam. Then when the patient is in PACU, ortho wants the hospitalist to take over care for the rest of the stay.

    I am proposing to have the ortho surgeons supply the surgery CPT code to us so we can use the -56 and/or -55 modifiers on the cases where there are no co-morbitities to manage during the patient's hospital stay, only the ortho problem. I will have help in figuring out percentages of the pre- and post work in-hospital parts. But for now it is a proposal, and will see how things go.

    I have seen this type of situation soooo many times with ortho surgeons. They seem to only want to do the surgery, and then see the patient in their office later after discharge. I have also had to explain, that in their "global" fee, they DO get paid for pre- and post-op management of the patient. Ortho surgeons are awsome people with big egos, and rightly so, for what they do. But sometimes, they do need gentle reminders of their global package.

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