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    Patient comes in for a pre-op visit and is scheduled for a Lumbar Rhizotomy. low back pain is aching. This is all it says under history. No Ros. Exam was a problem focused exam. Mdm states: pt is instructed not take ibuprofin and stop taking blood thinners if she's taking them at all.


    Would this be considered established problem worsening since the pt is scheduled for a minor surgery and what level of mdm would I use for blood thinners.? (Rx drug mgmt?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anggand@aol.com View Post
    Patient comes in for a pre-op visit and is scheduled for a Lumbar Rhizotomy. low back pain is aching. This is all it says under history. No Ros. Exam was a problem focused exam. Mdm states: pt is instructed not take ibuprofin and stop taking blood thinners if she's taking them at all.


    Would this be considered established problem worsening since the pt is scheduled for a minor surgery and what level of mdm would I use for blood thinners.? (Rx drug mgmt?)

    help
    The pre-op exam is global to the surgery, if the same provider is performing both services, and if the decision for surgery was made during an earlier encounter.

    That said:
    History - you have ROS there - it can be shared with your chief complaint: back pain = musculoskeletal. HPI - location (low/Lumbar), quality (aching), and perhaps context, if you count the rhizectomy as being specific enough to provide insight into the circumstances surrounding the cause of the chief complaint - it doesn't matter either way, though. You have less than 4 HPI, limiting you to an EPF Hx, which also requires a minimum of 1 ROS, which you've also got. No PFSH is required. MDM is Low. 1 established problem, no additional workup planned (meaning, it was a straightforward decision - he didn't need to diagnose her, or formulate a plan of action - it was either going to be 'yes you can have surgery', or 'no you can't', and not the start of a trial and error process attempting to figure something out). Or, if you count the # of management options instead of the # of diagnoses, you get 1 point for drug management, and 1pt for patient education regarding self-care (or conservative measures, depending on how you look at it), which equals a Low score in that category. No data ordered/reviewed= SF for its category. Yes, that counts as Rx drug management on the table of risk, placing your highest risk level as moderate, making the overall MDM is Low.

    So, for an established patient who's having surgery done by another provider the next day, you could report up to a 99213. If your provider is doing the surgery, you can't report anything, unless the decision for surgery was made at that time (which doesn't appear to be the case). Hope that helps!

    http://www.e-medtools.com/Trailblaze...e_Audit_v1.pdf

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    That was really good, you helped me alot. !!!!! I understood everything except for the patient education part. I dont see it under management options?
    Last edited by anggand@aol.com; 10-13-2011 at 11:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anggand@aol.com View Post
    That was really good, you helped me alot. !!!!! I understood everything except for the patient education part. I dont see it under management options?
    Well, it's a stretch to get there...That's considering his instructions regarding ibuprofen as 'education'...It's under management options on Trailblazer's audit tool (the link I gave you)...I highlighted where it's at in the attachment. Even if Trailblazer's not your MAC, it's usually safe to follow their guidance on E/M, since they have a tendency to be the strictest in their rules.
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