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    I just started at a dermatology practice 3 weeks ago, and I'm brand new to this specialty. We are getting denials and don't understand why because I'm not familiar with the codes. Does anyone have any suggestions on any books or sites to familarize myself with the basics of dermatology do's and dont's?

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    Miranda;

    I found just using my CPT book was helpful, in addition to calling the carriers and asking why on the denials.

    Is there a particular issue you are having that I might be able to help you with? Let me know.
    Susan Ward, CPC, COC, CPC-I, CEMC, CPCD, CPRC
    AAPC ICD-10 Expert Trainer
    susanwardcpc@live.com

    A small act of kindness a day can make someone's day special

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    what carriers are you getting denials from and for what codes? there are alot of issues that require modifier 59 on different site lesions if you are doing more than one procedure

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    Thanks for responding. I work for a dermopathologist and these are the two claims we filed for the new pt.

    For example on a denial from United Medical Resources (TIN Based Payer)

    female dob 11.05.68 / DOS 09.29.08

    1st claim
    11401-51 dx 238.2 paid
    12031-59 dx 238.2 paid
    11301-59 51 dx 238.2 denied as global
    11301-59 51 dx 238.2 denied as global
    99203- 25 dx 216.3, 216.6, and 216.7 paid

    2nd claim
    88305 - 59 dx 216.5 paid
    88305 - 59 dx 216.7 paid
    88305 - 59 dx 216.7 paid

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    Quote Originally Posted by miranda.jones View Post
    Thanks for responding. I work for a dermopathologist and these are the two claims we filed for the new pt.

    For example on a denial from United Medical Resources (TIN Based Payer)

    female dob 11.05.68 / DOS 09.29.08

    1st claim
    11401-51 dx 238.2 paid
    12031-59 dx 238.2 paid
    11301-59 51 dx 238.2 denied as global
    11301-59 51 dx 238.2 denied as global
    99203- 25 dx 216.3, 216.6, and 216.7 paid

    2nd claim
    88305 - 59 dx 216.5 paid
    88305 - 59 dx 216.7 paid
    88305 - 59 dx 216.7 paid

    Ok here we go....
    Where did your 216.x's come from if everything else actually came up dysplastic? Be sure you are not using 238.2 without a pathology report to support the lesion as being dysplastic. If you are not sure you should be using 239.2.

    Since you have two shave biopsies of the same size and location, I would appeal to your carrier with documentation to support your billing.

    Let me know how it turns out.
    Susan Ward, CPC, COC, CPC-I, CEMC, CPCD, CPRC
    AAPC ICD-10 Expert Trainer
    susanwardcpc@live.com

    A small act of kindness a day can make someone's day special

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    Why is the 59 modifier on 12031? Since this is the highest RVU code, wouldn't it be your primary procedure and wouldn't need a modifier? The others would need a 59 to show that they are the ones that were separately identifiable from that one? Though actually I don't see any CCI edits between any of these codes but do payers bundle them anyway? I don't do much derm and would like to learn more. Thanks for your help.
    Pam Tienter, CPC, COC, CPC-P, CCS-P, CPMA, CPC-I, AAPC Fellow
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10-CM/PCS Trainer
    AAPC National ICD-10-CM Trainer

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    There are no bundling issues with these CPT's so they shouldnt need a modifier besides the 25 on the E&M code
    Herbie W Lorona Jr., CPC, CPC-H
    hlorona@up2parmedicalclinic.com

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    Herbie,

    You are correct. The only thing that you need a modifier on is the E&M. Miranda you should look into getting a software called claim check. It is specificaly for dermatology billing. It basically tells you what modifiers go on what codes. You just enter the codes and click a botton it is great. It coinsides with medicare cci edits so that your codes don't bundle.

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    You can also check out Inga Ellzey's site for derm coding:
    http://www.iepg.com/
    Pam Tienter, CPC, COC, CPC-P, CCS-P, CPMA, CPC-I, AAPC Fellow
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10-CM/PCS Trainer
    AAPC National ICD-10-CM Trainer

  10. Question MSO Claims Business Analyst
    ? I have Dermatologist submitting claims with cpt codes 14041 Modif 79 & 59
    17312 79 59, 17311 79 59, 14041 79, 14041 79 59 these are all on the same claims with Dx of 173.3

    Please Help



    Thank you

    Kelly

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