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KurtRego
07-31-2007, 12:47 PM
I would be interested in finding out how fellow coders are currently counting the NKDA? Is this a ROS or counted as a PFSH?

Any input would be appreciated along with the rationale for the choice.

Kurt Rego, CPC
Corporate Compliance

rthames052006
08-02-2007, 12:28 PM
I was told at a Medicare seminar by the nurse reviewers that NKDA should be counted under PFSH. What do others do.

roxanne

amjordan
08-02-2007, 01:21 PM
It should be counted in PFSH. :p

bedwards
08-03-2007, 12:58 PM
I think it depends on how your medicare carrier views it. We use it under ROS or PFSH but not both places.

coder911
08-03-2007, 03:03 PM
I generally count this as an element of the ROS. If you look under medicare E/M guidelines it shows "allergic/immunologic" as a system - I perceive this as a general statement that can apply to any allergy reviewed. Allergies (unless otherwise stated) are a current issue for the patient - and can potentially affect the doc's treatment options.

kevbshields
08-06-2007, 09:25 AM
CMS has made documentation guidelines for this relatively clear--where I (personally) find dissent is in the interpretation of presenters, auditors and educators.

According to CMS, it may be counted as either Past Med. Hx. or as a ROS (All/Imm), but only one of those. It is pretty standard for auditors/coders to just automatically slam it into PFSH, although it may be needed elsewhere (e.g., ROS). Since the allowance is permitted by CMS, I would say it needs to be counted where it is needed in the document.

If specific FIs have rules outside those of CMS, they should place those in writing. I would also pay heed to what the Medical Reviewers (not Clinical Reviewers) are stating from those FIs; these are the people reviewing your documentation, after all.

Hope this helps.

Belinda Frisch
08-22-2007, 09:00 AM
I, personally, consider NKDA a ROS (allergy). Typically, past history is easy to get anywhere else and it's another point in the provider's favor to use it as a system.

donsqueen
01-27-2008, 07:01 PM
NKDA stands for no known DRUG allergies. My outside consultant said that it should be counted as PFSH over ROS for 2 reasons: 1: it is documented (in my clinic) by the MA's not the provider and 2: it is not generally specific to the particular problem the patient is coming in for.

goldejoa
01-28-2008, 05:05 AM
I always count it in ROS. In the ED, where I code, I feel it is always pertinent to nature of the presenting problem.

JG

khaspert
01-28-2008, 04:15 PM
This is part of the past medical history.

If a patient is asked about other allergies such as environmental allergies like hay fever, this would be part of the ROS.

rthames052006
01-28-2008, 04:41 PM
This is part of the past medical history.

If a patient is asked about other allergies such as environmental allergies like hay fever, this would be part of the ROS.

I agree with you Khaspert... thats what I was taught by the auditors at Medicare.

Roxanne Thames, CPC