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Here we go again with the shoulder ---

Can you should experts conform with me that both docs in both situations can bill 29826 and 29823 with modifier 59. I sometimes get confuse cuz the edits state I cannot bill 29823 with 29826 and the docs say that they can cuz the debridement (29823) was back and front. Do you guys feel that in both cases that 29823 is okay to bill to BLUE SHIELD and that the MODIFIER 59 is okay.

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH !!!!! Denise

OPERATIVE REPORT #1

POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS:
1. Left shoulder rotator cuff tear.
2. Impingement syndrome.
3. Labral tear.

OPERATION PERFORMED:
1. Left shoulder arthroscopy,
2. Partial rotator cuff tear debridement, type 1 labral debridement 29823-59
3. Subacromial decompression. 29826

DESCRIPTION OF PROCEDURE: The patient was brought to the operating room, placed supine on the operating table. After induction of general anesthetic and interscalene block, she was placed in the beach-chair position. All bony prominences were padded. Her left shoulder was prepped and draped in a standard surgical fashion. A posterior portal was created. Examination of the joints showed no glenohumeral articular surfaces. There was a 10% tear of the supraspinatus tendon which was debrided with a 35-mm fulgurated shaver. Biceps anchor showed type 1
labral tear and it was debrided with 35-mm fulgurated shaver.

Attention was directed to the subacromial space where the rotator cuff was intact from above. Subacromial decompression was carried out arthroscopically.


OPERATIVE REPORT #2

POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS:
1. Right shoulder pain.
2. Right shoulder posterior labral tear.
3. Right shoulder glenohumeral joint arthritis.
4. Right shoulder impingement.

OPERATION PERFORMED:
1. Right shoulder arthroscopy.
2. Right shoulder debridement. 29823-59
3. Right shoulder subacromial decompression. 29826


DESCRIPTION OF PROCEDURE: The patient was brought to the preoperative
area. The site and side were identified. Then an interscalene block was
administered. He was then brought in the operating room, placed supine on
the operating room table. Bony prominences were padded appropriately.
General endotracheal intubation was performed. He was then placed in the
beach chair position. Examination of the right shoulder under anesthesia
revealed full passive range of motion in all planes. The right upper
extremity was prepped and draped in a sterile fashion. Bony landmarks of
the shoulder including posterolateral, lateral and anterior lateral aspect
of the acromion, AC joint and coracoid process were marked with a marking
pen. Then a mark was made 2 fingerbreadths down, 2 fingerbreadths medial
from the posterolateral aspect of the acromion.

An 18 gauge spinal needle was inserted into the glenohumeral joint. The
joint was distended with 60 mL of sterile saline. An 11 blade scalpel was
used to incise the skin and the arthroscope was introduced in the
posterior aspect of the glenohumeral joint. There was evidence of a large
flap tear off the posterior labrum. This was interposed between the
glenoid and humeral surfaces. There was evidence of grade 2
chondromalacia changes over the humeral head. There was evidence of grade
2 chondromalacia changes over the glenoid surface, particularly over the
posterior inferior margin there was grade 3-4 changes. There was no
evidence of superior labral tear. The biceps tendon was in good
condition. The subscapularis muscle was in good condition. The
supraspinatus, infraspinatus and teres minor appeared intact with no
evidence of tearing or fraying. No evidence of loose bodies within the
axillary pouch.

An anterior portal was established using outside in technique. An 18
gauge spinal needle was inserted above the superior border of the
subscapularis muscle. An 11 blade scalpel was used to incise the skin. A
7-mm cannula was introduced in the glenohumeral joint. The posterior
labral flap was debrided. The labrum itself appeared to be well attached
to the superior and anterior aspect of the glenoid. The biceps tendon was
brought into the glenohumeral joint area. The rotator cuff and
subscapularis muscle were inspected in their entirety. A posterior
working portal was established and the camera was switched to the anterior
portion. The posterior labrum was viewed, it was felt to be more frayed
than detached and once again there was evidence of arthritic
chondromalacia over the posterior inferior glenoid surface. Once all
intra-articular work was complete, the arthroscope from the glenohumeral
joint and introduced in the subacromial space. There was evidence of
bursitis. A complete bursectomy was performed. The rotator cuff was
cleared of all soft tissue. The coracoacromial ligament was released.
The undersurface of the acromion was cleared of all soft tissue. Using a
4-0 acromionizer bur a subacromial decompression was performed. Once this
was complete, the arm was brought through internal and external rotation
and there was no evidence of bursal sided rotator cuff tearing. Once all
work was complete all arthroscopic instrumentation was removed from the
subacromial space.
 
Yes, I would code both of these as 29826 and 29823.
Oh and I copied and pasted and highlighted what the AAOS code X software for 2010 says about 29823 with 29826. says 29823 does not include 29826 so therefore they can be billed together.


CPT Code: 29823

Arthroscopy, shoulder, surgical; debridement, extensive

Intraoperative services included in the global service package:

1. local infiltration of medication(s), anesthetic, or contrast agent before, during, or at the conclusion of the operation
2. suture or staple removal by operating surgeon or designee
3. surgical approach, with necessary identification, isolation, and protection of anatomic structures, including hemostasis and minor skin scar revision
4. obtaining wound specimen(s) for culture
5. wound irrigation
6. intraoperative photo(s) and/or video recording, excluding ionizing radiation
7. intraoperative supervision and positioning of imaging and/or monitoring equipment by operating surgeon or assistant(s)
8. insertion, placement, and removal of surgical drain(s), re-infusion device(s), irrigation tube(s), or catheter(s)
9. closure of wound and repair of tissues divided for initial surgical exposure, partial or complete
10. application of initial dressing, orthosis, continuous passive motion, splint or cast, including traction, except where specifically excluded from global package
11. synovectomy (eg, 23105, 29820)
12. arthroscopic debridement of labrum and/or SLAP lesion, limited (eg, 29822)
13. shoulder arthroscopy, diagnostic (eg, 29805)
14. arthroscopic lysis of adhesions (eg, 29825)
15. manipulation under anesthesia (eg, 23700)

Intraoperative services not included in the global service package:

1. supplies and medication (eg, code 99070, HCPCS Level II codes)
2. insertion, removal, or exchange of nonbiodegradable drug delivery implants (eg, 11981–11983)
3. arthroscopic acromioplasty (eg, 29826)
4. arthroscopic removal of loose or foreign bodies greater than 5 mm or through separate incision (eg, 29819)
5. arthroscopic repair of rotator cuff (eg, 29827)
6. arthroscopic distal clavicle excision (eg, 29824)
7. arthroscopic biceps tenodesis (eg, 29828)

Medicare global fee period: 90 days
 
Here we go again with the shoulder ---

Can you should experts conform with me that both docs in both situations can bill 29826 and 29823 with modifier 59. I sometimes get confuse cuz the edits state I cannot bill 29823 with 29826 and the docs say that they can cuz the debridement (29823) was back and front. Do you guys feel that in both cases that 29823 is okay to bill to BLUE SHIELD and that the MODIFIER 59 is okay.

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH !!!!! Denise

OPERATIVE REPORT #1

POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS:
1. Left shoulder rotator cuff tear.
2. Impingement syndrome.
3. Labral tear.

OPERATION PERFORMED:
1. Left shoulder arthroscopy,
2. Partial rotator cuff tear debridement, type 1 labral debridement 29823-59
3. Subacromial decompression. 29826

DESCRIPTION OF PROCEDURE: The patient was brought to the operating room, placed supine on the operating table. After induction of general anesthetic and interscalene block, she was placed in the beach-chair position. All bony prominences were padded. Her left shoulder was prepped and draped in a standard surgical fashion. A posterior portal was created. Examination of the joints showed no glenohumeral articular surfaces. There was a 10% tear of the supraspinatus tendon which was debrided with a 35-mm fulgurated shaver. Biceps anchor showed type 1
labral tear and it was debrided with 35-mm fulgurated shaver.

Attention was directed to the subacromial space where the rotator cuff was intact from above. Subacromial decompression was carried out arthroscopically.


OPERATIVE REPORT #2

POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS:
1. Right shoulder pain.
2. Right shoulder posterior labral tear.
3. Right shoulder glenohumeral joint arthritis.
4. Right shoulder impingement.

OPERATION PERFORMED:
1. Right shoulder arthroscopy.
2. Right shoulder debridement. 29823-59
3. Right shoulder subacromial decompression. 29826


DESCRIPTION OF PROCEDURE: The patient was brought to the preoperative
area. The site and side were identified. Then an interscalene block was
administered. He was then brought in the operating room, placed supine on
the operating room table. Bony prominences were padded appropriately.
General endotracheal intubation was performed. He was then placed in the
beach chair position. Examination of the right shoulder under anesthesia
revealed full passive range of motion in all planes. The right upper
extremity was prepped and draped in a sterile fashion. Bony landmarks of
the shoulder including posterolateral, lateral and anterior lateral aspect
of the acromion, AC joint and coracoid process were marked with a marking
pen. Then a mark was made 2 fingerbreadths down, 2 fingerbreadths medial
from the posterolateral aspect of the acromion.

An 18 gauge spinal needle was inserted into the glenohumeral joint. The
joint was distended with 60 mL of sterile saline. An 11 blade scalpel was
used to incise the skin and the arthroscope was introduced in the
posterior aspect of the glenohumeral joint. There was evidence of a large
flap tear off the posterior labrum. This was interposed between the
glenoid and humeral surfaces.
There was evidence of grade 2
chondromalacia changes over the humeral head. There was evidence of grade
2 chondromalacia changes over the glenoid surface, particularly over the
posterior inferior margin there was grade 3-4 changes. There was no
evidence of superior labral tear. The biceps tendon was in good
condition. The subscapularis muscle was in good condition. The
supraspinatus, infraspinatus and teres minor appeared intact with no
evidence of tearing or fraying. No evidence of loose bodies within the
axillary pouch.

An anterior portal was established using outside in technique. An 18
gauge spinal needle was inserted above the superior border of the
subscapularis muscle. An 11 blade scalpel was used to incise the skin. A
7-mm cannula was introduced in the glenohumeral joint. The posterior
labral flap was debrided. The labrum itself appeared to be well attached
to the superior and anterior aspect of the glenoid. The biceps tendon was
brought into the glenohumeral joint area. The rotator cuff and
subscapularis muscle were inspected in their entirety. A posterior
working portal was established and the camera was switched to the anterior
portion. The posterior labrum was viewed, it was felt to be more frayed
than detached and once again there was evidence of arthritic
chondromalacia over the posterior inferior glenoid surface. Once all
intra-articular work was complete, the arthroscope from the glenohumeral
joint and introduced in the subacromial space. There was evidence of
bursitis. A complete bursectomy was performed. The rotator cuff was
cleared of all soft tissue. The coracoacromial ligament was released.
The undersurface of the acromion was cleared of all soft tissue. Using a
4-0 acromionizer bur a subacromial decompression was performed. Once this
was complete, the arm was brought through internal and external rotation
and there was no evidence of bursal sided rotator cuff tearing. Once all
work was complete all arthroscopic instrumentation was removed from the
subacromial space.

I highlighted in her notes where the debridement was.
On the second note the first part I highlighted goes with the second part that I highlighted were the debridement was.
 
Bella -

Bella - you certainly live up to your name - expert - I think after a year I finally get the shoulder stuff - I just got so confused after speaking to the coding person at the AAOS. It really confused me.

Thank you so very much for sharing your expertise - you are awesome.

Have a great day!!
 
Bella - you certainly live up to your name - expert - I think after a year I finally get the shoulder stuff - I just got so confused after speaking to the coding person at the AAOS. It really confused me.

Thank you so very much for sharing your expertise - you are awesome.

Have a great day!!

Your welcome and thank you very much...I'm happy to help.
Also, I'm glad you're getting the hang of it. :D
You have a great day too!!!
 
according to the "orthopedic Coding Alert" 08/2010 you can bill both 29823 and 29826 using -59 since each px is a separate muscle.

BY in LR
 
Hello,

I'm new to this forum and can't seem to find how to start a new thread question. I know that these two codes are not bundled according to the CCI Edits, but I am on the ASC side and we are just now getting rejections stating that these two codes are bundled for the ASC. We cannot find anything stating that and have appealed these claims already. We are told by the repricing company that their edit program is for the ASC, but will not divulge what program it is. Please help. :confused:
 
Hello,

I'm new to this forum and can't seem to find how to start a new thread question. I know that these two codes are not bundled according to the CCI Edits, but I am on the ASC side and we are just now getting rejections stating that these two codes are bundled for the ASC. We cannot find anything stating that and have appealed these claims already. We are told by the repricing company that their edit program is for the ASC, but will not divulge what program it is. Please help. :confused:


29826 has an ASC status indicator of N1 which means "[FONT=open sans, Arial, sans-serif]Packaged service/item; no separate payment made". Usually add-on codes have this status and the ASC payment is made on the parent code[/FONT]
 
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